Post by Danielle Wayland on Jan 6, 2016 20:26:34 GMT
Ha, the hair theory is pretty interesting.
Though everything points to her being a Skywalker, I can't help but think that it's too obvious, like we're being led by the hand but when we look up we see that we're not actually holding our mom's hand but a complete stranger's hand -glances around, paranoid-
With that said, if she really is a Skywalker, I'm gonna go with Luke. I like the aspect of her and Kylo being cousins.
I've heard a couple people give decent theories on how she could be a Kenobi. What do you think of that?
ACTUALLY, I like another theory floating around, that Rey is Obi-Wan's granddaughter ^_^ Mostly because that way there's no potential scenes of 1. Leia/Han having pretended not to know that Rey was their daughter(or niece if she's Luke's daughter)/Ren somehow not realizing she's his sibling/cousin 2. Leia punching Luke in the face for not telling her that she has a niece if Luke kept the fact that he has a daughter secret. I *do* like the idea that Rey's parents took her to train with Luke and then Rey somehow survived the massacre of Luke's new Jedi and Luke hid her on Jakku...or some such. basically I don't want any of the Rey/Ren pairings to be some form of incest is what I'm saying XD
ALSO REDEMPTION ARCS who wants Kylo Ren to still defect and come back to the Light and kick Snoke's ass along with his mother? I DO. Hell I thought he'd get a redemption arc in TFA, buuuuut then there was the whole 'killing his father' thing and that kinda blew my theory out the window >_>
RELATED QUESTION do you prefer Kylo or Ren or Ben or Kylo Ren? Cuz I've seen all of them in fanfics, though in the movie Finn calls him 'Ren' XD
Post by Danielle Wayland on Jan 6, 2016 20:44:50 GMT
About Kylo defecting to the lightside... -slowly raises hand- yes, sure he killed his father, but Anakin killed freaking CHILDREN for crying out loud and he was pretty redeemed later on. I think there's still a chance for him, since he'd been feeling the pull of the Light pretty hard... it's buried, but I have faith! pleaseredeemyourselfKyloyou'reagreatvillainandIloveyou
Hm, I like all variants of his name, it just sounds cool (though I have to say Ben is very... uninspiring. At least it gives us a funny pun).
Post by Jᴀy A. Rᴀᴍᴀ 💀🐍 on Jan 6, 2016 21:21:36 GMT
I can't really support the possibility that she's Obi-Wan's relative, because it's a bit too complicated.
1. Rey is a good pilot. Obi Wan isn't. It's canon that Anakin is way better than him. Of course, could be his progeny is good at flying or got with someone else who was, but too convoluted and too much of a dependence on non-canon/unknowns. 2. Han is the obvious choice, given their instant rapport, but who else do we know who is strong in the force AND good at flying/ship maintenance? LUKE. AND ANAKIN. 3. Obi Wan consciously stayed away from attachments per the Jedi code. He also doesn't seem to me like a one night stand kind of person, nor like someone who would abandon a child he knew existed. Maybe he didn't know a child existed, but even then, he would have to have conceived it during episode 2 or 3, and that was exactly when he was urging Anakin NOT to engage in any relationships. Doesn't seem like the type to have casual sex either. I could be wrong, but he's very particular about adhering to the code. 4. The timing is just wrong, considering their ages, for Rey to be Ben's daughter. I saw a theory that the age disparity could be relativistic time dilation, except that's inconsistent with the Star Wars universe. (I could go into a long rant as to why it's impossible
Also, I think it's entirely possible that Rey IS related to Luke and Leia, especially as Luke's daughter. Maybe that's because even though I ship Rey and Kylo Ren just a little because it's what I would have done had I written this story, I like the idea of Rey being Luke's daughter even more, because warm fuzzies.
1. They could very well have pretended because Rey doesn't know, and just like they had to learn about the force the hard way, maybe she does too. Maybe it's also not their secret to tell, because they know she'll find Luke. If they told her, she'd never want to leave. 2. Leia & Han can't punch Luke in the face for not telling them because they don't know where he is. Also they might have thought she was dead. 3. They really could not know for sure, so they don't say anything. 4. Far from punching anyone in the face, Leia goes from being a stranger to suddenly hugging Rey like she's a departing daughter. She's a royal and a general, and they've literally just met. No one would hug a perfect stranger that way unless they turn out to be family. It's established that Leia is skilled enough with the force to feel the presence of a relative. She could feel Han's death. Perhaps she could sense something in Rey. 5. Maybe they're not mad or surprised because they know about Rey, and they knew she was on Jakku, and perhaps they know that her memory of that time is imperfect. 6. That look on Luke's face. He's not looking at the lightsaber, he's looking at her. That's the look of a man who's seeing the last thing he's expecting to see, and isn't sure whether to be thrilled or despondent. He thought that he'd left behind the lightsaber, and maybe his daughter, forever. He knows what it means that they've appeared again. Maybe he tried to protect her from her destiny by leaving the lightsaber behind, and leaving her on Jakku, and though he's thrilled to see his daughter, also knows that they now have a struggle on their hands. He COULD look like that because he's looking at his niece, but given the disparity between Han/Leia's and Luke's reactions, I'm thinking she's his daughter. Han/Leia acted like they were glad to see her, but like they expected it. Luke looked like he thought he'd never see her again. On the other side, Rey's family left, and she's been waiting forever. Han and Leia could have protected her, so why would they have left her behind? Luke is the one who actually felt he needed to flee.
Of course, there remains the fundamental question - why doesn't Rey remember?
I kind of like Kylo Ren or Ben. Kylo seems to be an assigned name kind of like those of the Sith lords, never used alone. Like, someone is always Darth something. Ren seems to be a title rather than a name. Someone somewhere in the movie referred to Ben renouncing Ben and becoming *a* Ren. I like Ben for referring to what he used to be, and Kylo Ren for the Vader minion, like how Anakin and Darth Vader were treated like two different people.
Also, it's only the first movie. They've already introduced a significant struggle between light and dark, the same way that Anakin struggled. This wouldn't be the first time someone did something horrible before they turned back to the good side. *cough cough Vader killing Obi Wan EXACTLY LIKE THIS MOVIE* Kylo Ren's redemption arc may not be huge, BUT as evidenced by that scene where he begs the twisted Vader helmet for guidance, he has already got more ambiguity than Luke or Anakin ever got. I think there's plenty of hope for more.
Also, I know Snoke is probably big, but I'm very entertained imagining that in real life he's really tiny. XD
*quietly points out that 'Kylo' is a combination of Skywalker and Solo for those who don't already know because even in his COOL VILLAIN NAME he wants a connection to his family >_>*
...I also like the theory that Luke sent Kylo to become Snoke's apprentice and told him he would have to make great sacrifices in order to gain Snoke's trust in order to get close enough to kill him >_>
*quietly raises hand* actually in the pre-movie novel it says that Rey managed to scrabble together a working console from a wrecked fighter that had a flight simulator on it and hours and hours of practice is how she got good at it XD
Also we have no idea what Old Ben Kenobi did all those years on Tataouine while watching over Luke, who knows if Anakin's betrayal was enough to make him have a bit of a rebellious period and start a family XD To make the ages right Rey would have to be Obi-Wan's granddaughter I know, which means a whole 'nother set of family drama just waiting to take place.
Not gonna lie, Rey being a Skywalker would be awesome because of the whole Fate Is Circular thing TFW has got going on buuuuuut I really really hate the idea of Rey, whose has the major character motivation of 'I need to stay on Jakku to wait for my family and some day they'll come back for me' finding out that Leia knew who she was and didn't say anything to her. Though if Leia didn't know, I could get behind 'The Force told me to hug you' because I mean Han offered Rey a job on the Falcon and probably at least mentioned her to Leia and there's Poe their best pilot (who, in the pre-movie novel, Leia hand-picked for the Resistance) vouching for her too also the look of UTTER DEVASTATION in Rey's eyes when she sees Leia and Leia's got that mom-general vibe going and then all of the reassuring hugging. I kinda took it as 'everyone is celebrating except Leia and Rey so naturally the two would gravitate towards each other'. ...*attempts to remember where I was going with this utter rambling terror of a paragraph* oh yes
Leia punching Luke in the face would have to wait until Luke comes back to the Base (and in my head he whines at Rey the entire way back about not wanting to go because I'm cool like that) and is all 'WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE A NIECE WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME' XD
I've heard a couple fan theories that after the Jedi Massacre, Luke found Rey somehow alive and wiped her memories of her training, but then when Kylo Ren's digging around in her mind he nudges those memories a bit too hard or somehow accidentally takes off the block on the memories Luke put there (which makes the 'someone mentioned the Force around me and now I know how to manipulate James Bond into letting me escape' scene a bit more logical XD), and now she's slowly regaining maybe not the memories yet but at least the ingrained abilities
Also I'd like to take a minute to mention how many, many feels I have for Finn trying to find his way in the world XD So we know that Finn was taken from his family at a very young age to be a Stormtrooper, and that he knows nothing about being a pilot, doesn't know what most tools look like (though it can be argued that the Falcon has unusual tools for its maintenance), can't speak to droids, appears to only be able to speak StarWars!Common, and is TERRIFIED OUT OF HIS MIND about the power and might of the First Order. Which means that, among other things, Finn is likely going to be a TERRIBLE patient in the med-bay while they fix his spine XD It's likely that Stormtroopers who are unable to get back up and limp back to the ship after a battle are just left there to die, so Finn will likely be confused as to why he's still alive for one, but then we also assume that idleness and taking time to let yourself heal are not values the FO instills into their soldiers. So the instant Finn's well enough to sit up, you know he's going to be antsy to do something, either somehow find a way to follow Rey to Luke or learn stuff from Poe or just SOMETHING rather than lie around like a useless lump. AND I has so many feels about the idea that Finn's education consists of learning StarWars!Common (is there actually a name for it?), crushing all sense of uniqueness and diversity, destroying all "softer" emotions and impulses such as trying to help your friends and/or having friends in the first place, killing people with blasters, and for Finn a week long seminar that I really hope was titled How To Clean Up After Kylo Ren Throws A Tantrum. And that's it. So withing the Resistance, aside from giving general FO intelligence to General Leia, he...doesn't really know what else he can do, and will feel the sting of that. Like, Rey turns out to be a Force-User, Poe's the best pilot in the resistance (and seriously how cute are Poe and Finn's friendship omg I love them so much together), Leia's the *General*, Chewie's also a pilot and went off with Rey, and Finn's left to try to carve out his place among the Resistance and has no idea how to go about doing that. (It's also a private headcanon that will never ever be canon that the First Order used some sort of hypnosis or possibly even a low-level Force User (or Kylo Ren, actually) to block a Stormtrooper's ability to learn new things once they've finished their training, and then if they have to learn anything else the block is taken off and then put back on again, so that whenever Finn tries to learn something new like cooking or piloting (or because I'm terrible, reading more than just the HUD of his helmet and his assignment papers), he can grasp some basic concepts but another more he can only hold on to for like an hour before losing it and it makes him so *frustrated* because he had the best weapon scores and was one of Phasma's best soldiers but *he can't learn anything unrelated to killing people* and it makes him upset so he goes crying to Poe because Poe is awesome)
Also many feels about Poe, who is likely going to have nightmares at the very least from having his brain ripped open by Kylo Ren and unable to trust his memories because they're distorted or missing altogether and I just have a lot of feels about this adorable people okay >_>
Post by Jᴀy A. Rᴀᴍᴀ 💀🐍 on Jan 6, 2016 22:51:47 GMT
I wonder if that's the case whether Han was in on it, and that's why Kylo had to ask permission to kill him...especially when he worded it that way.
I also heard a theory that Kylo Ren was actually the one who hid Rey on Jakku after the massacre, because he had just enough light in him that he couldn't bring himself to kill family, and that's why he overreacted so badly when he heard that a girl on Jakku had BB-8 - because he already suspected who the girl was. Not sure how I feel about that.
"Be excellent to each other...and party on, dudes!" - Bill and Ted
Ooooh you know I'm on board with any/all redeemable!Kylo Ren theories XD I've also heard that Kylo Ren phrasing it that way might've made Han think that he was being asked to kill his own son to end his torment and IT JUST MAKES ME SO SAD WHY AM I SO INVESTED IN FICTIONAL CHARACTERS
It is true, we don't know what "Ben" Kenobi was up to. After all, given the way Luke was dressed in his hermit haunt, they've drawn a definite parallel between Luke's self-imposed exile and Obi Wan's. As far as we can tell, Luke is following Obi Wan's way, and both sort of retired from being Jedi for a while. In that case, I can see them having a relationship. I still think she's Luke's though because the timelines line up better. If she's Obi Wan's granddaughter, yeah, more family drama waiting to happen, except there isn't really room for it. Except------
HEADCANON THIS IS MY OFFICIAL HEADCANON NOW
OBI WAN HAD A DAUGHTER AND SHE AND LUKE HAD REY! 8-D 8-D 8-D
"Be excellent to each other...and party on, dudes!" - Bill and Ted
OOOOH I LIKE THAT IDEA! AND THAT FITS IN WITH REY HAVING THE PILOT HELMET AND THE DOLL WITH THE ORANGE FLIGHTSUIT
And we still get to see Leia Rage over "HOW COULD YOU HAVE A DAUGHTER AND NOT TELL ME" XD
(I have so many feelings about Poe's PTSD from having Kylo Ren rooting around in his head I could go on and on about it and how Finn and Poe end up a bit co-dependant on each other because Poe helps Finn get his back fixed and Finn helps Poe with his nightmares and by listening as Poe tries to recover his memory by telling Finn every story he can think of >_> And Kylo Ren being afraid of Rey if/when they face each other again because he's been training for practically his whole life and this "untrained" girl kicked his ass >_>)
*still simultaneously hopes for the Rey Kenobi-Skywalker family AND secretly ships non-incestual antihero Kylo Ren and Rey because HEADCANON KNOWS NO LOGICAL BOUNDS*
*also in the ship they fall into the Avatarverse and Kylo whips out a lightsaber on a dragon and Zuko rescues him just in time, and Rey runs away but after they're forced to work together to take down Azula, Vader falls through a wormhole and tries to Force choke the Avatar, at which point Aang steals the Force, and Rey manifests air bending powers, and then Kylo realizes what a dick Vader is and is much torn and Rey feels like the Light Side is to blame for her problems and so she and Rey merge practices and work together to take down Ozai, who's been possessed by Vader by Rey hacking Vader's old armor and much shenanigans ensue*
"Be excellent to each other...and party on, dudes!" - Bill and Ted
I’m slowly becoming more and more convinced by the “Rey is Obi-Wan’s granddaughter” theory and it’s actually very disappointing that there’s a 95% chance she’s Luke’s daughter because narratively and thematically Rey Kenobi would be infinitely more interesting
#imagine: rey and ben reenacting the battle of their grandfathers while one of them is named in honor of the other’s ancestor #a Kenobi succeeding in dragging a fallen Skywalker back to the light #where her grandfather had failed #a Kenobi #pure and faithful and undeniably *good* #the poetry of a Kenobi being in all nine films #and saving the Skywalker clan in all nine of them #rey being called to Anakin’s lightsaber because Obi-Wan was Anakin’s brother in all but blood #and he carried it around with him for twenty years #Rey giving Luke back his father’s lightsaber #in an homage to her grandfather giving it to him for the first time #rey’s first successful (on-screen) attempt at using the force being a mind trick #rey potentially wielding a double-bladed lightsaber and being the first on-screen Light Sider to do so #callbacks to her grandfather fighting Darth Maul #a Skywalker training a Kenobi and bringing us full circle #oh I’ve got feels and it’s probably not even true
Here is my entire belated contribution to fandom theorizing:
Chewbacca has been around since Anakin turned to the Dark Side. Chewbacca has literally witnessed the whole Skywalker family fucking up the galaxy. When Ben was born, Chewbacca was probably just like :-)) can’t wait to see how this one fucks up
and then someone else added
what if he can speak fluent English but has chosen to communicate through exasperated wails for the last sixty years bc he’s so done with the skywalkers’ shit
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